TYAO: Mastering The Art Of Public Speaking With Kafui Dey

Caleb (00:40):

Our guest for today is Kafui Dey is an award-winning broadcaster, master of ceremony, moderator, coach, goodwill ambassador and author. He hosts the National Juniors Challenge, Ghana’s first quiz for junior high school students. For 3 seasons he presented the Ghana franchise of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? the international hit game show. Over 2 decades he has interviewed over one thousand guests on radio and TV stations in Ghana. He has authored 3 books namely Public Speaking A to Z, How To Mc any event, and other 3 children’s books. You can follow him on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram at Kafui Dey. You can also check his website

Caleb (01:40): You are welcome to The Young And Old Podcast

Kafui (01:45):

Thank you very much, Caleb. It’s a pleasure to be here.

Kafui (01:50):

That’s great. We want to dive in straight. How is your daily routine like? On a usual day, what do you do in the day?

Kafui (01:59):

I wake up quite early, around about five, and then I listened to the radio. I listen to BBC, it’s a habit I picked up from my father, but I used to listen to the radio every morning and I find myself doing what he used to do. So I’m interested in what’s happening around the world. So I spent that time listening to the radio and then I get up, do my routine. I used to do my exercise in the mornings, but now I walk in the evenings. So run about eight o’clock. I take a walk in the evening, but my day is very different because of what I do. I’m a broadcast. I’m a coach. So I coach people virtually most of my clients are virtual in public speaking presentation, either interviewing. So depending on my schedule, I may have somebody that I’m working with on a particular day.

Kafui (02:53):

So we’ll do a coaching session. If I don’t have a coaching session, I am doing research, getting more knowledge, you know, once you, I teach and you’re also more of a student. So you always try to be up to date with the knowledge that you have so that you share the most relevant and interesting and useful information to your students or your clients. And then depending, I may have a day that I’m moderating an event, so it could be virtual. It could be physical depending on what it is. If it’s virtual and I just set up in my house and I do my session. If it’s physical, then I move out to town, do the program and come back. Yeah. So it’s a mix. No two days are the same. And, but I know that in the evenings, I’ll do my walk at eight. It’s a one hour walk, five kilometers, then I’d come back home, hang, watch some small TV, not really a TV guy, but I like to see what’s happening around the world. So I flipped through the channels, see what’s happening. And then I should be in bed by 11. Yeah.

Caleb (04:01):

You mean, you do the five kilometer every day.

Kafui (04:05):

Yes. I try to do it everyday. I have been yesterday. I didn’t, I didn’t do it. But the days before that, I, every day I do five kilometers. Yes. I have a an app on my phone called Google fit. And so it tells me how long I’ve walked, how many calories I’ve burnt. It gives you a map of where I’ve been. Yeah. So I try to do five kilometers every evening. This is about an hour of brisk walking. Yeah. It doesn’t feel I want to increase it if it doesn’t, if it doesn’t feel like it’s a lot, you know? So yeah. Fivekilometer is not much. If you do it regularly, it doesn’t feel like much.

Caleb (04:44):

Okay. I’ve not really, I mean, being intentional about exercise and all that, but even, I mean, I do walk. I do more of it irregularly. Not really much per se, but I’ll check it out and see how a five kilometer walk will be.

Kafui (04:58):

Yeah. If you walk briskly in about an hour, you’re done. Yeah.

Caleb (05:02):

All right. So tell us about your childhood. I mean, growing up, how was your life like or what happened in Let’s say  between 17 and 18? How was it like

Kafui (05:17):

I have, I had three brothers, one has passed now, but we’re four growing up. And it was, I’d say a very interesting childhood. Our parents, where our father was really a fun guy, but also very strict in terms of discipline. And you’re doing the right thing at the right time. And so those kinds of values were what we were instilled into us. The love of books, respect for everybody. Those were two key things. I can remember that he instilled in us. I was quite to naughty chap when I was younger. So I do remember being caned by my dad and my mom for adventures that I, or misadventures that I ended up finding myself in. Yeah. But I think it was all for good. I went to boarding school, which was an adventure, and I’ve had lots of interesting experiences which have shaped me into who I am right now. I’d say,

Caleb (06:28):

Wow, as a naughty child, how did they deal with you? I mean from your parents side?

Kafui (06:36):

Oh, in those days, the parents were very swift with the cane. So you get caned a lot for misbehaving. And these days there’s a lot of talk about human rights and child rights, but back then, we were just canned, if they caned you and then you didn’t do it again. That’s all. Yeah. So I tasted the cane quite a lot.

Caleb (06:57):

All right. And, what was your dream job at that age?

Kafui (07:05):

No, I was in primary school. I wanted to be a pilot, maybe it’s because I went to school in Burma Camp and we used to pass by the air force where you see the planes, you know, and then you always dreamt about flying and what am I going to secondary school? I wantted to be a doctor that didn’t turn out. And then I ended up studying English and economics and French in university, and graduated with an English French degree, combined major and went into sales of all places. So it’s been different. And now I find myself in communication. So it hasn’t been a straight journey, but I love where I am right now.

Caleb (07:54):

That’s great. So before getting into communication, was there any sign like you would have got into communication, maybe any part of your life? Were there any signals of you going communication?

Kafui (08:07):

Yeah, my father made us find 10 new words every day. Write them out in a book, write down the meaning of the word, how it’s pronounced and put the word into a sentence. And every day at the end of the day, he would ask us to produce our 10 new words that we had learnt that day without fail. So if you, you did that kind of exercise daily every day for years, you would tend to love words. You know? So looking back, I think he was programming us to love books and reading because all my brothers are like that, they all love to. When we meet up most of the time, the question will be, What are you reading? What new books do you have? And when I go to visit my brothers, I’m always looking on their shelves to see what kind of books they have.

Kafui (09:01):

In fact, my father advised us that if you go to somebody’s house and all you see are video cassettes and audio CDs of music, and maybe not even music just video cassettes, and the person is just watching videos or DVDs. You should flee from that person’s home because they’ve got nothing to teach you. You don’t want to spend that time watching TV. There’s nothing they can really teach you. So I never forgot that scene. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I was programmed to become a communication person by my old man.

Caleb (09:35):

Okay. So in the beginning, was it challenging? Did it give you the reason for doing that or it was just, I mean a normal house duty, it was part of you

Kafui (09:46):

Well, he was a language person and he liked languages and words. I think he wanted his children also to have those kinds of skills because they give you, they give you… language is a tool. And if you speak it well, it opens doors for you. If you speak more than one language, it opens doors further doors for you. So he was just trying to equip us with tools, I believe. So that you’d be able to look after ourselves, just with the skills that you have, the person who has skills has more options. If you don’t have skills, you don’t have too many options. So it was something that he was doing. Yeah. And I’m grateful for that because it helped us a lot.

Caleb (10:25):

So going into languages, I mean, how many languages do you speak and how did you get to learn all these languages?

Kafui (10:33):

My mom, I speak Eve, which is my, my mother tongue. I speak English. I speak French. I speak pidgin. Pidgin is a language. So four languages. I understand. I can get a  by in Twi. I understand more Twi than Ga. Oh, I can speak more Twi than Ga. And yeah. So, and I know a couple of key phrases in a couple of maybe half a dozen languages. It helps when you add emceeing and international event and there’s somebody who speak German or and then when he finishes his presentation, you say Danke, and the person looks at you as, Oh wow. You speak German. I said, no, I can only say thank you or Arigatō, which is Japanese for thank you. Xièxiè is Chinese. So key phrases that get you to connect with people. Yeah. But the four languages are Eve, English, French, Pidgin, and then some Twi and Ga.

Caleb (11:32):

Okay. So does it mean for some of us that maybe not really learning other languages, learning the key phrases will be a plus for us or is not necessary?

Kafui (11:42):

Well, it’s always, it’s always, people are always surprised if, especially if they don’t expect you to speak their language and you, and you know certain key phrases. Thank you. Good morning. please, I’m sorry, if you can say those key phrases and it’s nice, easy to find them, they’re all over the internet. I mean, if you go to Google and say, how do you say thank you mean in Chinese or Hindu or Spanish, you get them all there, even on YouTube, but if you show you how it sounds. Yeah, for me, it helps me as a moderator and a master of ceremonies, especially when you have international events and you connect with them with their language, they will. They like it. It helps

Caleb (12:22):

What was your first, I mean, communication role whether master of ceremonies or moderator, what was the first one?

Kafui (12:31):

For emceeing, this is when I was working a couple of years back. And one day my boss said that we were having a function in the evening cocktail and corporate event. And he wanted me to emcee the eventt. Yeah. Well, if your boss tells you to do something, you just do it, you know, as long as it’s not illegal. And I hadn’t done it before, but he said, Hey, you are the MC, Yeah. Yes, sir. Then I just went ahead and did it. And then I started being the emcee for all the company events, family events, you know, weddings, parties, funerals. Yeah. Yeah. So, but the first one was actually at work. Yeah.

Caleb (13:15):

How was that first one? I mean, for the first time, how did it go?

Speaker 1 (13:20):

I don’t remember much, but obviously it wasn’t a disaster. Otherwise they wouldn’t have gotten me on for the second and the third and the fourth and the fifth. So I think I did well. Yeah. I generally like people. So you always want to find a way to connect with them, that people feel comfortable. And that’s the real, real, real rule of a moderator MC and get people to be relaxed. Yeah. You don’t talk too much. Just get them relaxed then the event flows.

Kafui (13:50):

Okay. So before being a presenter or being the moderator for who wants to be rich, it wants to be a millionaire. Am I right?

Kafui (14:00):

Same, same, same, who wants to be rich or who wants to be a millionaire. Yeah. Yeah.

Caleb (14:03):

Okay. So before that, I mean, what happened and how did they, how did you end up in that role?

Kafui (14:12):

I responded to an advert in the paper. There was an advert in the paper, the business, financial times, they were looking for a host for this game show. So I applied and I went to the auditions. We did two auditions. And then we did a final one, which was a pilot. No, it wasn’t a pilot. We did a final, there was a final audition between me and another candidate for the job. And then I got the job. Then we did it for three seasons. Yeah. It was a really door opening experience because I got to meet a lot of people. Well, that was my, I would say that was my second TV job actually, because I did this small current affairs show called In The House a year before, Who Wants To Be Rich?. But this was like my first really big, you know, national TV show. I was on three different networks at the same time. I think Metro, GTV and Joy Prime, I guess. Yeah. So that was, it was an advert. I applied via the newspapers, opportunities are there.

Caleb (15:25):

Wow, you know people usually think some of these things, maybe come as a result of connections or, I mean, knowing someone or someone knowing you. How did that experience affect your life?

Kafui (15:39):

Well, I didn’t know anybody. Nobody was going to give me that job. It was just that, I do remember that there were some people who were trying to get their favorite presenters at that time into the role. And the producers were not interested in somebody who was already in the system. They wanted a new face. So that worked for me because I hadn’t done any major TV show before that, my background was really really… Yeah. So it’s not always, you know, that people would say that as an excuse, but then they decide not to prepare, if you don’t know somebody they will not allow you, they will not get you in, but it’s a fallacy. I didn’t know anybody, but I applied, I was able to, I was able to do what I had to do. Yeah. So it was just research and it’s not a matter of who you know, it may happen for some people, but there’s not always the time. And you don’t use that as an excuse. Yeah. So I did my work and I did the interview and yeah, I was selected.

Caleb (16:54):

So running the show, what were some of the challenges you came across? I mean, as a moderator on that show and I believe that was your first major one. So what were the challenges?

Kafui (17:09):

This was establishing a connection with the audience because in the studio you have an audience of about a hundred people and then you have the contestants. So just trying to try to make it entertaining for them and trying to deal with your nerves. You know, so I remember there was one director who gave me good advice. He says, listen imagine that all these people have come to your house. It’s your house. So in your house, you’re not shy. You’re not nervous. You are relaxed because it’s your house. You know, where everything is, you know, where the bathroom is, you know, where the kitchen is, you know, where your, this is your favorite chair, you are the person in charge. So always feel that you are in charge of the show and that’s something I’ve never forgotten. His name was Austin. And he just said, listen, relax.

Kafui (17:55):

You’re the King of this castle. This is your house. Yes. Have that kind of mentality. So that was a big, big, big thing. The biggest challenge was in the mind, of course the recording was quite intensive because we used to fly over to Nigeria to record the show with the contestants and the audience was there already. So we used to go with the contestants. And in the beginning we would record on a Saturday and a Sunday to two shows on Saturday, two shows on Sunday by season three, we were recording 10 episodes in a weekend. So we’ll do five on a Saturday, five on a Sunday. And then I’m back in Ghana on a Monday. So, and five episodes, you are recording from morning seven to evening seven. So seven to seven is a 12 hour shift. Yeah. So very intensive. And then all you do is you’ve always got to keep that energy up there, finish the show.

Kafui (18:47):

You go and change into a new outfit because it’s supposed to be the next week ‘s episode that you’re recording. And then you just keep going and keep going, keep going. Yeah. So, that was, that was challenging. And there are times you are in the plane and you’re not too comfortable with the turbulence and stuff, you know? So you’re scared. So that one to was until one day on the flight, I happened to sit next to a pilot who explained the whole business of flying, you know, taking off and landing and what happens. And that set me at ease. You know, anytime I’m feeling a bit nervous about a turbulence then I remember what he told me and then, yeah. Okay. So yeah, so those were it, really.

Caleb (19:32):

So going through that drill, I mean doing about four shows, maybe two shows in a day, ten shows on a weekend and what were you doing to keep you energized to keep you fresh, to keep you, I mean, involved with getting tired, tired, because I know sometimes speaking is tiring. I don’t know about you, but that’s what I think.

Kafui (19:50):

Yeah. Well, it’s just been the work, you know, it’s focused on the work, just relax, know what you’re supposed to do, you know, and make things easy for people. I mean, once your choice, one, once episode is recorded. Nobody should tell you that you need to change and wear a different outfit. So you just do what you have to do without being a hindrance to anybody and it all depends on everybody playing their part and being responsible. So you do what you have to do so that everything flows in the chain and not the one who will be the one to hinder anybody’s progress. Yeah.

Caleb (20:32):

All right. So do you recall some situations in your career I mean, that led you to giving up on your dreams and visions?

Kafui (20:48):

I don’t give up. I always look for a way out of a situation. There’s always a solution to something. So it’s not, it’s not a matter of giving up. You change, you just change your, the way you go about something. Madness is doing the same thing all the time and expecting a different result. So that, that I won’t do, I don’t always want to try and do different things to get the same result, to get the result that you want. Of course you can feel like giving up but feeling like giving up is different. Yeah.

Caleb (21:25):

So what advice do you give to people in, I mean, this is a situation sometimes, maybe when they are faced with a challenge and they feel like it’s okay, it’s enough. Let me take a break. Let me end this thing. What advice do you give to people like that?

Kafui (21:40):

It’s all good. It’s okay to take a break. You can’t work 24 hours. No, stop. Take a break. Also know that you’re not the first person to have undergone any particular problem. Read the stories of other people. Other people’s stories will definitely let you realize that they, they did. They faced a certain challenge and they overcame it. There’s a movie I love to watch the ending. It’s called Men of Honor. And then the main actors were Robert De Niro and Cuba Gooding Jr. The good engineers, my favorite actor of all time. And this story is about the black Navy diver in the United States Navy, a guy called Carl Brashear. And he was a pioneer somewhere during his career. He had an accident and had his leg amputated. So he was out of the Navy actually for a long time, but he still wanted to continue his career. And the Navy said, no, you can’t continue because now you’re in your forties, you’re competing against people in their twenties. You have one leg. How can you do, how can you, how can they Navy divers are people who go under water to salvage stuff. How can you do this with one leg? And, and the guy just said, you know what, give me a chance to prove myself. And if you haven’t seen the movie, I urge you to look for men of honor.

Kafui (23:09):

But the final scene, it’s called 12 steps. You have to walk in these heavy 12 steps for him to be reinstated in the Navy. It’s such a powerful scene. You know, I was watching it recently, when I was doing my walk two or three days ago, you know, and it just reminded me of the need. Never to give up. If you have a dream, you don’t give up on your dream, you know? It’s non-negotiable. Yeah. Don’t. Yeah. So look for that movie, men of honor the last scene and you love it. Yeah. You may even cry small.

Caleb (23:46):

I check it out.  All right. When it comes to, I mean, your journey in public speaking or master of ceremonies. What are some of the, maybe two or three things that you’ve learnt in the journey? Maybe in the beginning, it was an assumption, it was things you tried. But as of now, I mean, you know these are some of the things you standby?

Kafui (24:13):

Okay. So in public speaking, if you don’t have a message, a key idea, key ideas that you want to express in your presentation, don’t speak. Every presentation must be centered around the three most important ideas that you want to share. People can’t remember more than those top three. So you make sure that you have your top three ideas and you use stories to make those, those ideas come alive in this presentation afterwards. I’m sure you can remember a couple of stories after you already, because those are the best ways to get people. To remember what you’re saying. Always rehearse on video and in front of an audience. What do I mean is, is useless to stand in front of a mirror and rehearse your speech. Because the mirror has no way of recording, whatever you’re saying. And there’s no feedback when you’re gone. You’re gone.

Kafui (25:04):

If you record on your phone and everybody’s phone as a video. Nowadays, every smartphone has a video, so you can video your presentation and you can see exactly how you did not only video your presentation, but you must always try and get an audience. People should be in your rehearsal session because they are the people who would tell you whether your speech went well. They can remember your message because you’re going to ask them, Hey, what do you remember from my presentation? If they can’t remember anything, then you have to work on your message again so that it is memorable. If you don’t have anybody to rehearse the speech with recorded on video and send it to them, let them watch it and then let them come back to you and tell you what they remembered. Yeah. So it’s really important. Have a message. Make sure that your points must be your three most important points. And you must always record your rehearsal sessions on video and have an audience. If you do these things, you will be a very, very memorable speaker because in the end you want your presentation to be remembered so people can take action on it. Yeah.

Kafui (26:05):

For emceeing. Best thing I can tell you is that emceeing is not about you, the MC. It’s not about you showing off your skills. It’s actually about managing the time for the event so that it doesn’t overrun. And you knowing how to introduce people well, knowing how to thank them for specific things that they may have said in their presentations. And just keep the event glued together. It’s not about you, no, it’s about the audience. It’s about time management and it’s about linking the program together. Those are the tips I can give you for MC

Caleb (26:45):

Thank you so much. And for people, I mean, thinking of public speaking and master of ceremonies, can it be a career? Can it be a full time job? Well, there are certain things we do in, I mean, in our setting as a nation or as a people. We see some jobs as, I mean, not a full-time job, they are not jobs that you can live wholly on. Do you agree with that? Or what’s your opinion about that?

Kafui (27:13):

You can live with it, then you can earn a living from it.

Caleb (27:21):

All right. So for people trying to, I mean, earn a living from it, what do you advise them to start doing as early as possible?

Kafui (27:30):

Well, start by in the beginning you would not get paid. So in the beginning you volunteer to do as much as you can, wherever you find yourself, whether in school or at work or in the family, there are always events happening every day. So let them know that is what you can do and do it to get experience, you know, and to get yourself familiar with talking to crowds and strangers. Yes. And the more you do it, the better you become. And then the better you become, the more experience will happen. You can start charging. Yes. And then when you charge and you promote your stuff, from what you do, share information, if you go to all my social media handles, you will see that I write very often about, I share tips on public speaking communication. Yeah. So people get to know you, that’s your brand, so people call you. And then they want you to present on it. Or they want you to do an event for them or the way to moderate something for them. Yeah. So you can actually live on it. I know people who live with these skills full-Time so it’s possible. You can also do part-time as well. Yeah. But the advantage of being full-time is that if there’s a nine o’clock event the part-timers will be at work and you get to enjoy all the nine o’clock events, you know, So, yeah.

Caleb (28:47):

Right, right. So what’s, I mean, your motivation in life, what keeps you going?

Kafui (28:53):

Just do it, do the best that you can on a day to day basis, of course, the best that you can do would depend on how you feel that day. I mean, if I have a headache today, and I have an event that I’m going to moderate, I will not tell the event planner that I have a headache, because that may make the person worried, but I’ll do it to the best of my knowledge, best of my ability. Even with that headache, ranging on, you know, on a day that I feel fitter, I will still do work to the best of my ability and give them my best. I don’t believe in complaining, I believe in doing the best that you can. And yeah, because I remember somebody saying Reverend Albert Ocran is a motivational speaker, pastor, communicator said his mentor, who is pastor Mensa Otabil says, he always wants to give his best speech, best sermon, because somebody may be listening to that sermon for the very first time. Somebody may be in contact with him for the very first day.

Kafui (29:59):

And the impression that he or she is going to get will be from that particular event. So you can’t have an off day and say, Oh, tomorrow I have a better day. Tomorrow may never come. And that day, maybe the day that somebody who wanted to really connect with you has come to see you for the first time. And then you fluf your lines. Right So I believe in doing your very best every day. Once you do your best, you can’t do all of that. You have done your best, that’s it. And then tomorrow you want to be a bit better. That’s all I believe in life. Yeah. Try and be better all the time. Yeah. If you compete with yourself, there’s no way you will feel inferior to anybody or superior to anybody else. If you are always marking yourself with somebody else, you will see that.

Kafui (30:45):

Oh, okay, So he had ten, I had nine now I want to beat him. And then when you beat him, you say oh I’ve beaten him and I’m number one, or if you are lower than past somebody else, then you’re always thinking, Oh Charlie. Or if you’re higher than somebody, you think, Oh, look at all those guys who are behind me. But if you are always benchmarking your own progress, that today I did this. If say you at your age, you’re an athlete, a runner. And you’re a hundred meters specialist, today I run a hundred meters in 10 seconds. Okay. So that’s my benchmark. If tomorrow I run in 9.9, I’ve improved. Eh, the next week, if I run 9.8, I’ve improved further and better. So you actually improving your performance, your personal best is getting better and better and better. And by default, you are becoming better than your competition without focusing on them. Yeah. So that’s what I believe in. Just Improve yourself, work on yourself. You have a hundred percent control over what you do. I can’t worry about what others or somebody else is doing, but I can focus on what I am doing because I have a hundred percent control what I’m doing. So that’s what I believe. Yeah.

Caleb (31:45):

Yeah. Talking about improving yourself. So what are some of the things you do let’s say in your career? What are some of the regula things you do to improve yourself as a master of ceremonies?

Kafui (31:54):

Well, I read a book, I read two books a week, sometimes three. Yeah. I listen to a lot of really good talks and Ted talks on YouTube. They are really, really good. So I go to Ted, the Ted site and I, whatever topic that I’m interested in? I look for a Ted talk around it because it’s somebody who has experience with, who is coming to talk about it. And the person will not talk for too long, 18 minutes. And the talk is done and you can actually even speed up the YouTube videos. There’s some three dots on the right when you press that, you can speed it up. So I can, I can listen to an 18 minute video in 10 minutes, you know, because it’s sped up. So you observe a lot of information quickly, and then you apply that information. Yeah. So I read, I read and I listen to other people who have done stuff I believe in talking to, or learning from people who know what they’re talking about.

Kafui (32:53):

Yeah. Because then they, you can learn from them. Yeah. So a lot of reading. Yeah. And these days audio books are there. So sometimes I find the audio version of the books. Sometimes you have them online. I just read the Automatic Millionaire by David Bach. I saw the book on Amazon and I went to YouTube. Just look for the audio version. The audio version was there. It was a five-hour audio version. What did I sped it up? And so in about two or three hours, I’d finished reading in one day. Yeah. So I read a lot. I listen a lot and I read and I try to apply what Iearn.

Caleb (33:30):

I’ll check it out and make sure I read it today. So what are you reading now, I mean, when it comes to, what are you reading now?

Kafui (33:40):

So I just finished reading the automatic millionaire. I’m actually reading something by TJ Walker. He’s a public speaking, he’s like my mentor, public speaking. I’m reading hours. I was reading his books today because I have a class today and I want to be tip top for the class. So TJ Walker has written couple books on media training, presentation, and public speaking. And so his stuff, I have like five or six of his books there. And I flipped through all of them. I’ve read them all already. I’m just reading them again to refresh for my class today.

Caleb (34:17):

That’s amazing. And what are some of the principles that you work with or operate in your life principles that I work with. Yeah. Principles.

Kafui (34:31):

Yeah. I, like I said, I, I don’t believe in excuses. There’s no excuse, don’t give me excuses. It was this, but I was going to do this, but no, you either have done it or you haven’t done it. Number one. No. Excuse. Yeah. And there’s always a way you can remain positive. Yeah. I mean, if you, if you can fix the problem, fix it, don’t complain. I don’t like complaining as well. Yeah. So no excuses, no complaining, no. Do the work. The father of a good friend of mine. His name was Vincent Assisi, senior politician. He said, it’s better for you to have done the work and to have forgotten that you did it, that for you to not do it. And all of a sudden you remember that, Hey, I haven’t done the work or I haven’t done it. You know, it’s better for you to do it and forget that you’ve done it than to not do it. And then suddenly remember, Hey charley. Wow. No. So if you have to, if you have time no dey, you know, so whatever you have to do, do it, do it and forget about it, you

Caleb (35:35):

Yeah. And what of your values?

Kafui (35:43):

Those are my values. I don’t believe in excuses. I don’t believe in complaining. I believe in just trying to brighten the corner where you are, do what you have to do when you have to do it. Yeah. Complaining about other people can make you feel good, but it doesn’t do anything. I don’t believe in complaining, you do it. You know, do the work and always be hopeful. There’s always a way out, you know, if somebody else has done, I don’t believe in, Oh, this person has all the advantages and is better than me. No, no, no. He’s got the same red blood as me. You know, if somebody has done it, I can do it if I want it. You know? I mean, look at a person like Helen Keller. Helen Keller was born blind, deaf, and mute. She couldn’t see, she couldn’t hear, she couldn’t talk, but Google Helen Keller and you see the things she’s done.

Kafui (36:41):

So somebody who couldn’t see, couldn’t hear, he couldn’t talk. So Hey, Stevie Wonder blind musician didn’t stop him. You know, so many people have done great things. You know, there was a Ghanaian musician Onipa Nua also blind, you no people who had disadvantages and they still do what they set their minds to do. You know, God is wonderful. When one, once you have a deficiency somewhere, you make up for it in something else. Yeah. And then you, you, you, you inspire people, you know, you inspire people. Yeah. So if you are blessed with everything, maybe sometimes I think we are over blessed in Ghana. So we have too much. And so you don’t really want to struggle. Yeah. Cause people with far little, far less are doing more, you know, it’s the case of having too much. Yeah.

Caleb (37:40):

I think when I was doing some energy research, they usually had a name for it, I think Resource Curse, yeah.

Kafui (37:51):

It’s better sometimes to have little than you think.

Caleb (37:54):

Yeah. So what do you do at your leisure times?

Kafui (37:58):

I listened to music. I love jazz. Bob James, a smooth jazz, like the father of smooth jazz. I listened to his music a lot. Yeah. I am a kind of general knowledge person. So if I’m having a conversation with a friend and they point out an interesting book or author and I go and look for the person and then just read about it. These days, If I find out that there’s a book that I hear about instead of even reading the book and then just go and look for it. Most of these authors promote their books online with webinars and they go into podcasts like this one. And they talk to people about their books. So I can easily go online, just go read about it or, or hear it from the author speaking. And then yeah, I get an idea of where the person is coming from. I like documentaries too. I like wildlife. So I like watching Nat Geo wild animals. Sharks, lions. Yeah. Learn a lot from them. Yeah. So I like that. Yeah. I like driving too. So just drive.

Caleb (39:11):

All right. So what’s your definition for success and who comes to mind when you use that definition as someone who is successful,

Kafui (39:20):

But there are so many people, the success is his achievement in whatever field is important to you. You know, a child getting up to walk the first three steps for that child that is success. That’s Hey, I couldn’t walk with an, I can walk. You know, some people define it by okay, they’ve made a ton of money. So that for them, that is success, which is great. Hey, if you can help people with it too. Why not? Yeah. So for me, it’s just being the very best in what I can do in my field, you know, and, and showing people how to do it. You know, public speaking is it’s not like chess. Everybody can speak in public if you know the principles, because if you can converse with another person, like I’m conversing with you, you can bring this kind of energy and mindset to a room full of people, a hundred people, 200 people, a thousand people, 10,000 people. It’s the same thing, you know? Yeah. So, so being able, to succeed or achieve in the field that I find myself for me, that’s the definition of success and showing other people what you’ve got, you can also do it for me. That’s it? Yeah.

Caleb (40:45):

All right. So if you had a billboard by a major road, what statement would you put on the billboard for people passing by

Kafui (40:58):

Make it happen

Caleb (41:02):

Wow, okay. I get it. Any explanation behind that,

Kafui (41:07):

Make it happen, make it happen means that you can make it happen. You have the power it’s like Nike’s just do it, you know, make it happen. If you decided on something, make it happen. No, excuse. Yeah. No complaints. No. If buts, no, just make it happen. Finish. Yeah. Make it happen. Three words. It’s like, just do it.

Caleb (41:31):

Yeah. So what are your parting words with us especially for young people. What do you have to say in line with your statement on the billboard?

Kafui (41:43):

Yeah. Whatever you find your hands to do, set your mind on it and do it, you know if something is, my dad said in whatever, if there’s something, let me, how do I rephrase this? So whatever is worth doing, it’s worth doing well. Okay. Whatever is worth doing is worth doing well. So if it’s something that is worth doing, make sure you do it well, that’s it? Yeah. And then it applies to anything that you’re doing, whatever it is worth doing, it’s worth doing well, make it happen. That’s all.

Caleb (42:24):

All right. So where can people reach you, follow you?

Kafui (42:27):

Okay. So Instagram is at K A F U I D E Y. Twitter is the same at Kafui Dey. Instagram is the same Kafui Dey. Facebook is the same Kafui Dey. In fact, if you go to my Twitter, Instagram, you go to my bio or my profile, there’s a link that would take you to my blog. And you can get 112 public speaking tips for free. Just go click on it. And it’ll take you straight to my blog. And you can get those tips. And you can start using them. Maybe it’s tips that you can use right now to improve your public speaking. It’s something that everybody can do and do well. And it will have an impact in all aspects of your life, from marriage proposals, to business proposals, to whatever. Yeah. If you can speak well, you get stuff done. It’s all about influence. So the more people you’re going to influence, the more people you can impact.

Caleb (43:23):

Thank you so much Kafui. And it was nice having you on the show today. Yes, moving on, maybe we will be expecting you in some years to come. I didn’t ask, in the next 10 years, what should we expect of you?

Kafui (43:38):

I don’t even know what I’m going to be having for dinner tonight. So 10 years, if I’m blessed with life and health, I’ll be doing more of what I do and enjoying it.

Caleb (43:55):

All right. Once again. Thank you.

Kafui (43:58):

It’s a pleasure. Thank you Caleb. It’s been a pleasure.

Caleb (44:06):

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Fada is a social entrepreneur, educator, writer, and tech geek.

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